What mistakes did your parents make while raising you that you will be careful to avoid in your own parenting?
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Also, for the sake of maximising engagement - what mistakes did adults in-general make when interacting with you as a kid, that you avoid replicating today?
Not teaching me a lot of basic shit, like how to shave, how credit/debit works, exploring food like sushi, teaching me about other countries.
I was taught a lot, especially common sense. I can troubleshoot and diagnose like a madman, even things I know very little about. But my dad wasn’t a talker, so didn’t get much there.
I talk to my kid about everything, we lookup what we don’t know or want to know more about. I go over mistakes I made in life giving him examples of how to not make the same mistakes.
We call everything “experience”, even bad things, and we learn from them, not unlike skill points and experience points in video games. You can learn from anything, not just good things.
omg… this is so me. I try to justify it by telling myself they might be on the spectrum
Sounds like you’re doing a great job though
Same about not teaching basics. When I was old enough to shave my dad gave me his old electric shaver and bought himself a new one. I get not giving a kid the nice, new thing, but it still felt crappy. And then he didn’t show me how to use it. So the first time I used it I rinsed it out with water. Turns out it wasn’t made to get wet, and it rusted horribly and was immediately ruined. All he had to do was show me once how to use and clean it and it would have lasted for years. This sort of thing happened over and over, I had to learn a lot of stuff the hard way because no one taught me.
Not yelling at them for every little thing. I also want to try and allow them to explore all types of interests and activities.
I try to take my niece and nephew out to different food places personally. Dumplings, ramen, hot pot, get them horchata, jollof rice, just as much variety as I can food-wise, which thankfully is a fair amount in my neck of the woods.
Hitting your kids: don’t fucking do that. You might not ever see them when they reach adulthood.
Forget the selfish reason. Just don’t hit people because you can’t control your emotions.
If you won’t hit your boss don’t hit your kid.
some people need hit tbf
Perhaps. I’m not sure I agree, honestly.
But there’s never a time to hit a person you’re responsible for, who depends on you.
Might not see them in childhood either if they get taken away from you.
It is exceptionally hard for children to be removed for child abuse.
Especially if the mother is the one doing it. It must leave visible marks and be documents by a doctor or a policeman . It needs to show a pattern and be obvious the amount of force was excessive. This needs to happen several times to show a pattern. Must be documented.
That only begins the cps process.
You(only moms?) 100% absolutely can hit your kids so long as you don’t hospitalize them. It fucking sucks to watch from the side .
This seems very specific to the USA.
Yes. What is legal and acceptable will be different anywhere.
“No buts! Because I said so”
I explain things to my kids so they know WHY we are doing them. If they have an idea as to why we should be doing it differently, like give me 10 more minutes first, or I like it this way, then I listen, consider a compromise, if at all possible.
For example, if it’s time for bed, but they’re in the middle of a fortnite match, then I let them finish it. If it’s time for school, and they just started a match, sorry, turn it off, you knew we had to leave soon.
There’s a time and a place for that, but sometimes you just want them to not run across the road right now.
That’s why you grab them and explain so they don’t do that anymore.
I think when people think in terms of “my dad did this, I won’t do that”, they often miss what the real issue was. They end up being bad parents, just in a different way.
My wife and I raised three kids, and I fucked them up in my own special way. Not anything like how my parents did me.
If I were to look back over my life and offer advice, the advice I’d offer is: get some therapy. Have a disinterested, professional person to talk to every, single, damn week for the rest of your life. Being a parent will fuck you up.
And that’s coming from someone who doesn’t regret having kids.
When I was first thinking about having kids, I was thinking I didn’t have the right personality. I spoke to my brother who had one child at the time, and he explained that when you have a kid you’re so filled with love for them that nothing they do bothers you.
I had a kid. From birth to about 18 months, he screamed. He screamed for everything. He would scream for hours about anything that bothered him. My mom worked as a nurse in a hospital nursery. She cared for her kids, friends kids, family’s kids. She said that in her entire life she never heard a baby scream so loud. My MIL was also a nurse and worked in maternity. Same deal. She was amazed at how loud he was.
I called my brother up to yell at him. He said I was right and he got it wrong. His first kid was easy. His second kid would get him so tight he’d have to leave the house to get away from her.
Back to my kid: Everyone asks, “oh, was it colic?” No. Not colic. The instant he started talking, he stopped screaming. The screaming was just what he did to communicate before he could talk.
I mention the story about the screaming because that was the easy part of parenting.
Oh man, I wonder if there’s any way to fix that for them. Must be a problem other people have faced.
Some have had success with baby sign language. We tried but it didn’t take.
If my kids are not allowed to do/choose something, I tell them why.
My career is a very niche part of IT, and I like it, but I often wonder how different my life would be if I was able to actually study music and music production from the age of 16 instead of dropping out of all other forms of education. Maybe my musical endeavors today would be more than noodling for my own amusement. My parents were very supportive with most things I did, except that one time I wasn’t allowed to go to the only school that interested me. I never learned why.
A small thing, but my parents were very authoritarian. Rules were honestly fair, but any discussion was immediately closed by “because I said so”. In particular as a teenager, I was aware enough to both realize that the rules were overall fair, so I didn’t want to go on an all out war, but also wanted to discuss about finer points. But there was no space for a civil discussion because my parents “said so”.
Do you have kids? “Because I said so” doesn’t usually come out of nowhere. It’s a response of frustration, usually because that conversation has been had multiple times already.
Disagree. My mom did this a lot… Her reasoning was because she was my mom. There wasn’t any discussions about her decisions or why which isn’t healthy.
I really wish that my parents had mentioned much earlier in my life that mental illness runs in the family and what the signs were so that I could have started getting treatment right away, rather than wasting years of my life confusing feelings of depression for proof that I was a terrible person. (Just to be clear, there was no malice involved; my mom just felt really self-consious about it, so she did not want to bring it up.)
I don’t know why parents never brought it up, but same. Rarely talked about the uncle that died early after a life of drug and alcohol abuse. I didn’t find out that my dad’s sperm donor committed suicide until I was in my 30s. Geeze, the depression and self harm and substance abuse makes more sense huh.
if they’re introverted, don’t treat that as a “defect” that needs to be fixed
As a father, I’m going to be better than mine by fucking showing up and being in my kid’s life.
beating them with a belt.
throwing ALL their stuff out into the street because the kid was late one time
these seemed like mistakes to me so I didn’t do them with my kid
I think you’re making the right call.
Deciding to keep me at 15 & 19.
I love my life, am absolutely happy to be alive, don’t get it twisted. But 2 teenagers not having an abortion is the original sin of their poor parenting choices
Reproducing in the first place. I’m not making that mistake.
I’ll try not to be an asshole.
My wife came up with a few rules of life a while ago.
Number one is don’t be an asshole.
So my old man was and still is extremely smart. Every night, he’d take time to teach me math and English. Thing is, I am not so smart and so have a lot of trouble following his teaching. That would make him frustrated because he couldn’t figure out a way to explain the concept to me and he’d get mad.
I’m grateful now for the education he gave me, but as a little kid all I could think of was that my dad was going to be mad again because I couldn’t learn well enough.
It impacted me through all my schooling. Yes I was a straight A student, but I hated studying. It was only after I started studying things I was passionate for that I got over it.
Again, I don’t hold a grudge against my old man. He did the best he could and I love him for it. But I will try to find more patience with my daughter when I teach her.
Some just arent meant to be teachers.
I know I am not really one
Honestly my mom is so weird:
Like, when I was a kid, she’ll cuddle with me, encourage me to sleep in their bed, and like show affection, and she had moments when she was so wholesome and lovely. She frequently tells me how much she loves me, how smart she supposely thought of me.
But also, often times like… she can easily flip and like yell at me for small mistakes and scold me and belittle me… and I’d cry…
My brain is so fucking confused… lol… what the fuck was that?
Why was I shown love, then she flips on a different mask and becomes a different person like an hour later?
Bipolar?
Idk I have a truma bond to her, so confusing.
As for dad… idk he is just like chilling and doesn’t really show either affection much but neither yells much either… like apathetic…
But anyways, if I ever have children, I’ll do the affection thing, but I’ll make sure I control my emotions and never show anger directed towards my children. I will never make my children feel scared like the way I felt when mom always did to me. Never again.
My parents raised my brother. My sister, and I grew up in his shadow.
Don’t be religious.
One of the best parenting decisions I’ve ever made. My Mom is still pissed, but at least she’s stopped giving my kids religious themed gifts and asking when we’re going to baptize them.
it’s extra funny when they come to you in your 30’s wanting you to get baptized again, because the first one they forced on you as a kid didn’t take or something?
fucking weirdos man, a cult built around fear of death and a refusal to actually read their book themselves…how the fuck has it lasted so long
my parents put me into a christian daycare when i was like 4. i still remember looking out the window hoping to get the fuck out of there. it was only a few weeks because all that religion bullshit gave me nightmares and i would be in constant panic that the sky will fall and satan will get me. the scars are there stll almost 30 years later
Lots of spanking involving hard shoes. Bonus that my sister and I had to pick the instrument of our prolonged beatings… and if we picked something ‘too soft’ our dad would get a much worse item. Never found out what it would be, but the extra level of terrorism was a nice touch.
Cold, distant mother who was not a victim of abuse as we were. She didn’t care what he did. Your classic malignant narcissist who was expert at praising herself in just about any conversation. ’Oh you did well in that programming course you just took? My teacher told me I was the best he ever saw’. Both in reference to Visual Basic for an extra level of rank stupidity.
Both of them seemed to view their friends as commodities to be exchanged as soon as they lost their value or someone better came along. I can’t remember how often I got to hear about some ‘friends’ who they didn’t associate with who “didn’t know what they were talking about” in reference to some interest of one or both. Horse riding, wine tasting, etc.
I had alcohol poisoning at 12 due to both their view we should be able to drink at dinner (absolutely fine in a vacuum) but having the kind of friends they did at the party this happened at.
My mom tried to get me to at least puff on a cigarette when I was 5… I already thought her smoking was gross so I didn’t.
And my favorite was at 7 when I suffered a severe TBI that resulted in swelling on my brain and diagnosis that I needed surgery at alleviate it. My mother, a mildly famous biochemist who was conveniently anti science in most of her views, realized I need some veggie smoothies and psychic healing instead. Phew, good thing it doesn’t cause problems to this day almost a half century later.
Maybe that’s why I just shrugged when she died a couple weeks ago.
I’ve tried exceptionally hard to not be them, both in adult relationships and those with my stepdaughter and her kids. I’m not terribly close with the former by her choice (none of the family is as since she joined a VERY fundamentalist church and went all in on madness) but both of our grandkids are a nearly daily part of my life.
I wouldn’t hit my kids. At least not until they can reasonably fight back and only if we are in a ring because they agreed to fight.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt that of course you would split the profits from the ticket sales; you just left it implied.
Asking his 12 year old, over the protests of his wife, whether said 12 year old prefers girls with big boobs or small boobs. And pressing the issue for ten minutes after the 12 year old told him that that was an offensive and disgusting question to hear from this particular pervert and demonstrated child groomer.
Don’t have so many kids you barely know their names, let alone needs and interests.
Don’t parentify the girls, making them into mini-mothers that care for the others.
Don’t instruct the boys that keeping a clean home, cooking, and hygiene is women’s work and beneath them.
Don’t use physical negative reinforcement (no hitting, no limiting calories).
Don’t teach that reaching out for help is a moral failing.
Don’t indoctrinate them into a religion.
Don’t instill pride and moral superiority in being “better” and “different” than other families.
Do sit and introspect on how you’re treating your kids. Challenge your preconceptions. My parents could read the above and insist they never did any of them, that they were great parents.
That’s not what negative reinforcement is.
Living with an abusive husband (my first stepfather).
Being super over-protective; all it did was make me fail and get into trouble a lot more in adulthood.
Having me in general.
I got snipped so no kids for me unless I somehow end up divorced/widowed and marry someone who already has kids (though most parents around my age have kids already out on their own).
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I figured a lot of people would be and that’s why i tried to phrase an alternative question in the body of the post :).
I guess that’s actually the biggest problem people have with religious parents, isn’t it? Like unless you’re an actual monk or priest, you shouldn’t prioritise religion - you should prioritise your family!
I’m sorry that happened to you
Even if you’re a monk or a priest, you should prioritise your family.
I was thinking that in the catholic sense they don’t have kids. Almost like they knew what they were doing with that no sex rule
Having children.
That’s a mistake I’m not going to repeat.
For interacting with kids, I always try to act like I’m interested in the things they’re talking about. It doesn’t matter if it’s their tiny life goals, or that cool rock they saw yesterday that wasn’t as cool as the rock they saw last month at the museum.
Nobody was ever interested in anything I have to say, and even after being with my wife for 6 years, she’s still trying to get me to talk more. Even I want to share something, my brain still says “they’re not interested, don’t bother” and I just keep it to myself. That’s probably why I like to comment on platforms like this so much, I can speak my piece and then move on and if anyone is interested in replying, I get a (usually) nice interaction with someone for a few minutes.
My wife’s dead sister used to scream at her children when they spoke because she “doesn’t want to hear [their] bullshit” and whenever her youngest would start giggling at something she was talking about she would scream at her to shut up because she’s annoying. The oldest was old enough to remember all of this perfectly, the youngest just has night terrors she can never remember.
My wife’s living sister just ignores her 8 children when they’re talking. Almost never even looks away from her phone or laptop when they talk and goes “yeah, uh-huh, mhmm, yep” and so on to make it seem like she’s listening. The oldest has caught on and has started saying off the wall stuff like “my head came off at school and the teacher kicked it into the trash” and things like that to see if her mother even notices. Usually she doesn’t.
It’s not enough to just be technically listening. You have to show interest. It’s not always easy, and when you have a lot on your plate it’s even harder, but you can sit and listen to babbling for a few minutes, it won’t hurt you, and you might make that kid’s day.
LMAO.
That’s so sad. I get that one person cannot be “on” all the time but literally schedule 20 minutes, try something to value the kid.
For what it’s worth, judging just from your stance about listening to kids: if you ever decided to have kids, I’m quite sure you’d make a better parent than most people who have kids nowadays.
I won’t tell my kid not to “stoop to their level” and say to punch back when punched
If I had kids, I would take them seriously.
Just because they’re kids doesn’t mean they don’t know how they feel or what they need.
Yes! Also, if you listen to the small stuff, they’ll trust you with the big stuff.
Nothing like getting laughed at when you answer the question of what you want to be when you grow up earnestly.
Having children.
Yeah nah, not having kids. I do like kids, but I recognise my ability to withstand stress and sleep deprivation is pretty limited. My own parents did a number on me besides, and I’m not introducing a living thing into this world to perpetuate that trauma
Don’t teach that cleaning, cooking etc is only a girl thing, don’t hit them, don’t spoil them too much (but don’t make them have zero money either), don’t force religion upon them, don’t force them to have your same ideologies, don’t try to make them be “better” than the kids if the same age, don’t force ‘em to do shit they don’t want to do, don’t teach ‘em that there are things that only males can do and things that only females can do and be supportive to them, approve their hobbies
:3
I didn’t live some of those luckly, like the one of being better than everyone but i feel like i have to include those. I am a very open minded person i think and so i would reflect that on my child, if i ever have one.
I completely forgot the cooking part in my unhinged wall of text!
My mother was convinced she was a celebrity chef (think early 80s version). She was not particularly amazing, just competent as one might expect someone forced to cook for a family would be.
Despite her obvious greatness in the kitchen, she refused to teach me (her oldest son) to cook. Nonsense about not having the patience to do so.
Oh wait, I forgot to mention that she was a college professor. Teaching a level 100 course in nutrition at the time (as a biochemistry professor…) and always claimed how much her students always loved her and called her their favorite teacher.
So probably as accurate as her claims of being a great cook.
Plus side is that I have become a decent cook and baker and while my stepdaughter had zero interest in either, both grandkids are really into it. And in their case, I started when they were very young and just tried to encourage their natural interests. Crazy how well that works.
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Lol, my household had reversed the roles. Mom sucked at cooking and only the stuff dad makes ever taste like actual food.
Hmm… All of them?
I don’t have kids.
Ha, ha, yes, I’m very funny :P
To answer your secondary question, well, I’m not sure. I can think of infuriating things adults did when I was a kid, but it isn’t something I think a lot about day-to-day.
Things like hearing a dismissive “No one ever said life was fair”, maybe.
I mean, the entirety of my interaction with my parents was:
Mom: Dumped me on her mom, and grandma
Dad: Left the state to chase tail
So, y’know. Short list of things not to do.
In terms of adults in general:
I think that’s it, really. Aside one thing: They’re people, not property. Treat them like people, and you’ll have a lot better time with them.
i find i hilarious(ly sad) that religion is in like every other answer here, seriously…fucking christianity/catholicism man, especially the chucklefuck protestant kind that seems so prevalent in america. i hope to live to see these cults finally die entirely.
Yeah, it’s a pretty common factor. The weird thing is my church wasn’t particularly anti-gay, and none of my family cared, but Catholicism is inherently anti-gay for the same reason it’s inherently anti-birth control: sex is only for procreation in the eyes of the church. Because of that I didn’t actually come out to anyone in my family until I was in my 20s, and about to leave the state.
While there are a lot of problems with Christianity*, the bigger issues run deeper than the faith. People cherrypick the shit out of Christianity so they can live their lives, especially Catholicism**. People use their faith to justify their shitty opinions, while ignoring the faith when it goes against their lifestyle/other opinions, see: people calling empathy a sin despite that being Jesus’ whole thing.
There’s definitely a world where Christianity* can coexist with everyone else. It’s just getting there is the problem, and if we want to get there, then Christians* need to actually pull their heads out of their asses, and listen to the people around them. Also to face actual consequences for their shit-ass opinions, since having their kids cut them off apparently isn’t enough
** The Old Testament is full of stuff no one cares about, see Leviticus 19:19, or Deuteronomy 23:2
Use windows
Man, my kids love windows.
They keep opening their bedroom windows in the middle of winter and making igloos from their pillows and blankets!
if your kid doesn’t want to do something, don’t force it on them. I’m not talking about the things everyone needs to do like brushing ones teeth or getting an education. I mean, don’t sign them up for a baseball team if they show no interest in baseball. Don’t force them to hang out with the neighbor kids if they don’t like the neighbor kids. Don’t force them to wear their hair they way you think they should, etc.
let them make their own choices (within reason, ofc) and teach them that they have their own agency. if you do or don’t want them to do a thing, explain why, have a dialogue ("no back talk” is bullshit, sometimes your kids have a good point an you’re being an asshole) and listen to them.
Yep those are two of the big problems i had with my mom
Having kids in the first place
Having kids.
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I’m not a parent and I won’t ever be a parent.
But if there’s anything I’ve learned growing up - be a role model. My parents weren’t really planners, they didn’t have plans for themselves and moreso, they didn’t have strong ambitions. So, when they had me and my sister, we grew up almost never knowing what we want to do with our lives and not having the tools necessary to get there.
All we know and have done is work jobs that are minimum wage, paycheck to paycheck and just paying to survive another day. I’m fearful for my future every other day because, I don’t know what is ever next for me and what I could achieve that can get me out of the hole I seemingly got myself in. I don’t even know what I want to do next after I’m done with where I’m working now.
So the point of what I’m getting at is, parents, give your children something to look forward to. Give your children a model to live by and give them the support they need when they decide to pick up on something that they want to do. It’s easier for a child to go out and do something when they know their parents did the same things, enough to also raise their children because they care. Far more than just bringing in more lives and not even giving them the blueprints needed for their futures.
Haha. There’s that many traumatic events from my childhood, dysfunctional would be an understatement. Suffice to say I am not having children I will break the cycle.
I have already raised my kid. There were two things I was determined to do differently.
A dad who was coaching the peewee soccer team, and his own kid was on it, ok. I am still watching you, but I get that.
Some adult whose kid is not on the team… hmmmmmm.
The daycare my kid went to had to have at least two people on duty at all times.
“the healthy thing I’m doing that my parents didn’t do is that I assume every adult who wants to be part of my kids life is a pedophile”
Yes…. Very healthy attitude!… Good job I guess?
Hey man do what you want with your kid..
I totally agree. Being a “helicopter parent” is only bad at a certian age range (like, teenagers onwards) - I would have been very grateful for my parents to teach me how to play with other kids properly and stuff… Because I see other parents doing that for their kids all the time.
No man.. trust me the teenager years is when you need to be the most vigilant.
Twofold, religion and physical abuse for bad behavior.
My parents gave birth to me and brought me into this world, so I sure as hell am not going to do that to a child of my own.