piefed.eeEuropean alternatives to Google Translate? Preferably not LLM.
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UnknowableNightHello all! I’m looking for a good alternative to Google Translate. I would prefer one that isn’t using a modern LLM, but I understand if that’s not possible. I would also like it to not be collecting personal data.
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DeepL is probably the best option.
Definitely DeepL! Translations have an excellent quality and you can alter words and easily rephrase sentences within the web interface. The smartphone app is good very good.
Look at this answer OP
Deepl was the first using an LLM though richt? They have always advertised that it was AI.
OP specifically doesn’t want that if possible.
Or is it a different class of “AI”?
Firefox’s built in translator from Project Bergamot is made by a co-operation of several European universities and Mozilla. It’s a local LLM that you download so the translation never leaves your computer. You can translate whole pages with it or select text and right click and “Translate selection”. The only problem is that if you had some raw text you copied from somewhere. You’d need to go to some pastebin site, paste the text, select it and translate selection. I guess it’s not that inconvenient.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Bergamot https://firefox-source-docs.mozilla.org/toolkit/components/translations/resources/03_bergamot.html
https://bergamot.mt/
There used to be a desktop version somewhere but I couldn’t get it to work. You can run the wasm version from their git repo maybe
Just for awareness, Google Translate is based on LLMs. Translation is actually why LLMs were initially made and you won’t find a better method for translation (besides hiring a translator). The thing you’re looking for is an LLM only for translation.
I mean LLMs kind of dropped out of the work to build translation engines. There are models which are better trained towards doing translation than being an agent of bullshit, but the architecture is usually the same.
DeepL https://www.deepl.com/en/translate
OP specifically requested non-LLM.
How can a translation app work without LLM though ?
The same way they worked before LLMs came on to the scene a few years ago.
Were you under the impression that that was simply an intractable problem before we decided to brute force it with GPUs? Various online translation services have existed for well over a decade (honestly, I don’t even remember when they first started to become a thing, but it’s not a new technology). NLP has been an important domain of computer science for the vast majority of the life of the field itself.
What’s NLP?
Natural Language Processing.
As the article mentions, it is closely related, though very much not identical to, the field of Artificial Intelligence. And do please note that my usage of “Artificial Intelligence” here is *absolutely not* synonymous with the big tech buzzword circlejerk definition of “AI” that’s bandied about so clumsily these days (which is, incidentally, why I always tend to quote it, or just refer directly to LLMs, when I am taking about “AI” as understood by the layman/marketing and sales types).
As other said DeepL is European and a good option. I have no idea how much data they collect.
If you want to guarantee zero data collection, running a model like Ministral locally on your device using a trustworthy front end is probably the only option.
Not really european (the main dev is from florida), but free and open source without collecting your data:
https://libretranslate.com/
Another open source android app that I use made by some indian guys as far as I can tell:
https://f-droid.org/packages/com.bnyro.translate
I use that, too, and you can run it locally.
Reverso is a french translation service, even better than DeepL imo. Their context translation is especially useful.
Yeah, with Reverso you can see how the word has been translated in different context, super useful if you actually want to learn.
And their general translator is also good for longer texts. I’ve been using DeepL for that, though, and haven’t made a proper comparison.
Lingvanex, DeepL
If you want something open-source/self-hostable there is LibreTranslate
Why not LLM? When ChatGPT came out I was living a country where I didn’t speak much of the local language. GPT was a game changer, it didn’t just translate the words, it understood the context and it was much more useful.
AI does not “undestand”
Especially not the context. LLMs are Mathematical Methods.
But I agree: They are actually good for translating especially when focused on translation - like deepl