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There is no way Linus or the other maintainers are allowing unverified code into the kernel.
That’s not the whole issue.
It is for most people. You are welcome to create your own issues in life if you wish. But Linus Torvalds is infamous for his meticulous, detailed, thorough, and often expletive-laden code reviews, and if he is willing to review AI-generated or AI-assisted code that’s entirely up to him, there is no indication he is willing to lower his coding standards one iota. He trusts his maintainers not to bring him any shitty AI code, but he’s giving them the freedom to make that choice themselves. If they abuse it, he will punish them. There’s no doubt if you know anything about how the Linux kernel development process works.
Here’s an article that discusses llm use on the Linux kernel: https://lwn.net/Articles/1026558/
It’s a little older, but it might help to ground the conversation a bit.
Where have you seen LLM generated code being merged into the kernel?
https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware#operating-systems
Did you read Linus’ response on the mailing list? From that linked article
https://lwn.net/ml/all/CAHk-=wj3fQVEcAqy82JnrX2KKi4NjnEGGSH2Pf_ztnLCcveWkQ@mail.gmail.com/
Given his sole control over what gets merged, thats all that matters.
also note hes discussing ai as a tool for reviewing patches. nothing about ai actually writing code.
make of that what you will
Linux, of all projects, should be opposed to these kind of things as a whole. Sure, we could argue it’s not as bad, but I’m not comforted by that statement. The fact that those in charge don’t see or care about the obvious problems is shocking.
Im not trying to say one way or the other, or take anyone’s side here.
just putting into context “ai generated code in the linux kernel” isnt whats currently happening.
unless you have evidence otherwise.
edit - KDEs response maybe clarifies “ai” to me in this discussion.
LLM providers like OpenAI are scum. But the general technology around “ai” isnt as bad as that
Right. Sorry, I’ll try to make the post clearer bc I’m not trying to mislead anyone, I’m just so upset that this is even being entertained by Linux devs, it’s boiling my blood.
Just edited my reply for context. Hopefully it explains at least my personal view.
LLMs provided by billionaire techbros? Burn that shit to the ground.
The scientific idea and application of ai when its helpful and relevant I dont see a problem.
The difference being no vibe coded ai generated bullshit ends up in the kernel. The use of this technology elsewhere can be completely fine, if its treated correctly.
But Im totally on your side with “openai llm vibe coded slop should never ever land in the kernel”. And I trust linus on that. given his history with regular 100% human maintainers, he wouldnt let that garbage slide.
“ai” as a term has become synonymous with openai, anthropic, gemini. theyre just LLM products sold by companies. They should never be near real critical production systems. But the wider scientific/technology side could be applied ethically - without using those LLM products
I don’t think it’s particularly off brand for Linux.
Have you considered moving to a BSD?
Could you link to an article or a write up on the stuff you’re referencing so I can look into it more, please?
https://codeberg.org/small-hack/open-slopware#operating-systems